![]() I just tried a VLC nightly (after a long time) and the subtitle renderer does seem to have been greatly improved. The newer VLC versions have an updated subtitle renderer (libass, I think) which supports animated karaoke at least. As far as specs go, however Aegisub and VSfilter works IS the spec now. They use a patched VSFiler for the software and that's the reason it will ever be supported by any fansub group, ever for SSA/ASS subs. The reason VSFilter is the de-facto standard is because it's used in Aegisub, the community-standard timing/typesetting/karaoke editor. Up until a few months ago PotPlayer's renderer was garbage and KMPlayer's one is out of date. If you want PS3/X360 playback support, you can't have MKV with FLAC, and if you want good softsubs with karaoke, MP4 is a no-go.Īs for caring about VSFilter, what alternative was there? No other subtitle renderer even had decent support for ASS subtitles, and libass is very new. The reason there isn't a single standard in fansubs is because of hardware playback constrains, not fansub community interest. The reason MKV got this much reception in the first place was mostly based on fansubs adopting the format, not the video industry. H264 is now a universal standard in fansubs along with AAC/FLAC. ![]() As cyberbeing mentioned, CCCP project was established as a standardized filter pack and settings to support most of the fansubs out there, out of the box and without people needing to configure the specific settings for proper playback. The only thing that developers of other subtitle renderer have to do is to mimic VSFilter's features and bugs instead of following the specs. ![]() They don't care how it looks on other subtitle engine or even other versions of VSFilter. They create subtitle effects based on VSFilter's features as well as bugs. As it comes "out of the box" MPC-HC will play pretty much all the usual formats without the need for anything else, so for most people installing MPC-HC on it's own for playback will probably be all they'll ever need (once again I don't use subtitles a lot but MPC-HC seems to render all the subtitles I've used on it's own without any problem).įansubbers don't have a standard and probably will never agree on a single standard. Rather than install the CCCP I install MPC-HC, ffdshow, haaali splitter and VobSub individually. I still install the other programs, but I use them for encoding. Like VLC it has internal filters to play all the common file formats so there's no real need to install ffdshow or the haali splitter etc and you can bypass any CCCP stability issues that way. These days I simply use MPC-HC on it's own for playback. VLC works for me (I don't use subtitles a lot) but it won't use system codecs despite having a setting to tell it to do so (or I've never been able to get it to work) and it doesn't "feel" as good as MPC-HC. If CCCP does have any problems (such as an audio sync issue) running the installer again and allowing it to disable any other splitters/codecs etc it doesn't like, should fix it. The only problem I ever had was with the audio sync with some of those MP4s we're not allowed to discuss here, but remuxing them would fix it. It's really just MPC-HC, ffdshow and Haali media splitter, pre-configured according to the CCCP "standard". I wouldn't have thought CCCP is really a codec pack as such, despite it's name. Meanwhile Haali seems to be the only Matroska splitter which can handle Ordered Chapters which separate the OP and ED from the main video. I have seen most fansubs discourage VLC nowadays, probably because VLC can't handle animated karaoke, multiposition subs and styles correctly. However, if it doesn't work or something goes wrong, then don't expect them to answer why. So, if it works for you, I guess then go ahead and use VLC. The most common question is sub styling goes wrong, I think. They probably don't want to answer questions about why it doesn't work in different softwares so VLC is discouraged. ![]() I think they (and their QCers) always test the releases against MPC-HC/ffdshow/Haali or CCCP (for Windows) and mplayer (for Mac/Linux) so that's why they recommended it. I do not use VLC so I don't know how good it is about these features. I think it is more about subtitle styling or, sometimes, mkv ordered chapter than the video itself that made those encoders (which my guess are fansubbers) discourage VLC.
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